Comments on: Being Contrary with Turbogears http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/ Blog of Will McGugan Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Will http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-9960 Will Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:36:19 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-9960 With an XML based schema for the model, the ORM could still hide the differences between platforms. Besides, isn't one of the benefits of an ORM that you don't have to work with SQL? With an XML based schema for the model, the ORM could still hide the differences between platforms. Besides, isn’t one of the benefits of an ORM that you don’t have to work with SQL?

]]> By: Matt Wilson http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-9936 Matt Wilson Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:29:29 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-9936 Instead of writing XML that gets turned into python, why not parse SQL directly and build up the data structures from that? Then we could use SQL to construct our tables. Instead of writing XML that gets turned into python, why not parse SQL directly and build up the data structures from that? Then we could use SQL to construct our tables.

]]> By: Simon Willison http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-8721 Simon Willison Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:16:25 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-8721 It sounds like you used Ajax rather than AJAX. Capitalised, "AJAX" means "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML", but actually most people avoid using XML these days so that acronym didn't make much sense. More recently people have started calling it "Ajax" instead, which doesn't stand for anything but means "any technique which lets the client talk to the server without refreshing the whole page". It sounds like you used Ajax rather than AJAX. Capitalised, “AJAX” means “Asynchronous JavaScript and XML”, but actually most people avoid using XML these days so that acronym didn’t make much sense. More recently people have started calling it “Ajax” instead, which doesn’t stand for anything but means “any technique which lets the client talk to the server without refreshing the whole page”.

]]> By: Will http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7982 Will Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:17:56 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7982 Jamie, I didn't use widgets. I was so eager to start the site that I didn't learn about all TG had to offer, and by the time I read up on widgets I had done a lot of work. I would definitely use widgets if I started another project. There are a few places where template code is repeated that I would like to refactor out at some point. I didn't use Mochikit either! But this time because I wanted to learn how to do Ajax manually before I used a library to help me. I learned Ajax techniques from an Apress book and from tutorials I googled for. I found Firefox + Firebug to be an excellent tool for working with Ajax, because you can see exactly what is being sent to the server and what was returned. I don't know how people managed without it! Will Jamie,

I didn’t use widgets. I was so eager to start the site that I didn’t learn about all TG had to offer, and by the time I read up on widgets I had done a lot of work. I would definitely use widgets if I started another project. There are a few places where template code is repeated that I would like to refactor out at some point.

I didn’t use Mochikit either! But this time because I wanted to learn how to do Ajax manually before I used a library to help me. I learned Ajax techniques from an Apress book and from tutorials I googled for. I found Firefox + Firebug to be an excellent tool for working with Ajax, because you can see exactly what is being sent to the server and what was returned. I don’t know how people managed without it!

Will

]]> By: Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7953 Tennessee Leeuwenburg Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:05:33 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7953 You might like to consider submitting an article to The Python Papers. I love the idea of becontrary.com and would be happy to carry the article. Cheers, -T You might like to consider submitting an article to The Python Papers. I love the idea of becontrary.com and would be happy to carry the article.

Cheers,
-T

]]> By: Jamie http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7952 Jamie Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:59:15 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7952 Hi. As a heavy Plone user, I have been wanting to do some web app development with something easier (for me) to manipulate at the lowest possible level, and so I have started doing some tests projects with TG. I appreciate thsi blog entry, as it has helped me see that someone else can bootstrap themselves into TG. A couple questions: How much did you use the widgets, and if you did, are they for normal pages as well as forms? I am doing a bit of Ajax with Mochikit, but I am having problems learning how to use the documentation - it seems there are not many examples to learn from - how did you approach the Ajax part of learning? I have a much more extensive site in mind that also has a ranking process involved in it, so I will try your site out to pick up the flavor of what is possible with TG. Great job! Hi. As a heavy Plone user, I have been wanting to do some web app development with something easier (for me) to manipulate at the lowest possible level, and so I have started doing some tests projects with TG. I appreciate thsi blog entry, as it has helped me see that someone else can bootstrap themselves into TG. A couple questions: How much did you use the widgets, and if you did, are they for normal pages as well as forms? I am doing a bit of Ajax with Mochikit, but I am having problems learning how to use the documentation - it seems there are not many examples to learn from - how did you approach the Ajax part of learning?
I have a much more extensive site in mind that also has a ranking process involved in it, so I will try your site out to pick up the flavor of what is possible with TG. Great job!

]]> By: Will http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7864 Will Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:04:22 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7864 You are absolutely correct, of course! You are absolutely correct, of course!

]]> By: Stan http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7835 Stan Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:47:15 +0000 http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/06/94/#comment-7835 Minor nit: I think you mean JSON (as in json.org) and not JASON. (Feel free to delete this comment if you fix it.) Minor nit: I think you mean JSON (as in json.org) and not JASON.
(Feel free to delete this comment if you fix it.)

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